Saturday, August 9, 2008

Obama's Dual Citizenship

Is it appropriate for the President of the United States to hold dual citizenship? Mr. Obama may believe himself to be a citizen of the world, but there is what economists call a principal-agent problem if the president has dual loyalties. This may or may not be relevant to the Article II issue. However (and h/t Larwyn), it would seem that the failure of the state and federal governments to establish a system whereby simple information about presidential candidates is made public seems to have shocked us a second time this year.

Gateway Pundit notes that Rocky Mountain News reports that he "(h)olds both American and Kenyan (since 1963) citizenship."

Gateway Pundit quotes Political Gateway's 2007 post.

“Under the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Obama became a Kenyan citizen on December 12, 1963. He has never renounced his Kenyan citizenship. On his senate web site, Obama tap dances around his own dual nationality when discussing his father. Obama obviously knows, because his father told him, that he also held/holds Kenyan nationality.

“Once again, we find Barry O concealing fascinating information about his identity. There is nothing unusual about dual nationality. Indeed, ancient Roman Law doctrines of jus sanguini and jus soli come into play, because both Kenya and the U. S. recognize dual nationality. Once again, the issue is not ‘legality.’ The issue is the cover-up; Obama’s concealment of his own identity. From us, and most of all from himself."

Yes, concealment is the issue, isn't it?

2 comments:

Koyaan said...

Under the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Obama became a Kenyan citizen on December 12, 1963. He has never renounced his Kenyan citizenship.

If this "internet journalist" Andy Martin had bothered to actually read the Kenyan Constitution he refers to here, he would have realized that Obama didn't have to renounce any Kenyan citizenship.

From Chapter VI, Section 97 of the Kenyan Constitution (Dual Citizenship):

A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya. made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.

So, unless Obama had renounced his US citizenship, took an oath of allegiance to Kenya, and took up residence there, any Kenyan citizenship he may have had ceased to exist when he turned 21.

Chapter 6 of the Kenyan Constitution

C'mon people! Think. Ask a few questions. Put in just a little effort.

This sort of intellectual laziness, and unquestioningly swallowing whatever is spoon fed to you just because you like the taste is a far greater threat to this republic than some presidential candidate having dual citizenship.

k

Ray said...

Is it appropriate for the President of the United States to hold dual citizenship?

No of course it isn't appropriate. Candidates should renounce any other citizenship, and opposition politicians ought to publicize any tardiness in doing it.

Mr. Obama may believe himself to be a citizen of the world, but there is what economists call a principal-agent problem if the president has dual loyalties.

Not only loyalties, but also an obligation to obey the laws of the other country. A President, especially an American President could easily commit treason under the other country's law.

An example of that would be doing anything at all, no matter how small, which assisted the enemy of the other country if a state of war existed between them. (Not one of them media beat-up 'wars' or GWOTS, but real wars against countries).

If any such thing happened, or if the President assisted in any way a declared terrorist group it would be an offence of treason, and even if diplomatic immunity over-rode treason during any subsequent Presidential visit (WHICH IT NEVER SHOULD) the person could be later captured and put on trial in the other country and forced by law or other means to reveal national secrets of the first country. This of course would make such a person a national security risk.

Also, if the other country copied America's new style of law enforcement (writing crimes years after the fact) and finding people guilty of breaching the backdated laws after a bit of waterboarding and secret evidence etc, then who knows what could happen.

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“Under the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Obama became a Kenyan citizen on December 12, 1963. He has never renounced his Kenyan citizenship. On his senate web site, Obama tap dances around his own dual nationality when discussing his father. Obama obviously knows, because his father told him, that he also held/holds Kenyan nationality.

Well as Koyaan pointed out, it is impossible - so Obama is not guilty of "dancing around".

“Once again, we find Barry O concealing fascinating information about his identity.

I only stared learning about him recently and all I see is a mine of information about him.

Ray