Hi, Mitchell,
I don't know about you, but I have found this story to be quite infuriating. Mr. Donofrios states the clerk tried to stop and dissuade him from the get-go. Then, to misguide his case, and label it as something entirely different in an apparent attempt to stall, if not completely lose it in other work, just once again adds more fuel to the fire. How DARE a clerk misdirect a filing they personally disagree with. I HOPE Justice Clarence Thomas ORDERS the information to be sent to his desk IMMEDIATELY.
It makes one begin to understand why the legal system seems to be derailing. If "no account clerks" (my own label for this person Dan Bickell) can play games with legitimate filings to make them "disappear", how can anyone hope to have a chance in the system unless they have a very knowledgeable attorney with the fortitude to fight tactics employed by the opposition. There shouldn't even be "opposition" in the Court system itself. The Courts are supposed to be the People's platform.
This is frightening if true, and I have no reason to doubt what Mr. Donofrios' claims. Those of us determined to have answers to the very legitimate question of confirmation of eligibility of a candidate are shaking our heads in disbelief, wondering HOW we will ever find the person who will accept the responsibility, whether in the Courts, or with another entity.
I guess we will have to keep chipping away at the system until we are finally heard, and ANSWERED.
Mairi
Thursday, November 13, 2008
Obama Birth Certificate: Turner Responds--Martin Counter Responds
Neil Turner Writes:
Andy; You asked us to let you know what we think about your column (below) and your arguments against Berg. My comments follow your statements:
‘Mr. Berg did file his loony case, and it began to attract a lot of attention. My initial reaction was sadness at the gullibility of the public. People obviously had no idea that the form and forum of Berg's lawsuit were totally deficient.’
My comments: Berg’s lawsuit got Obama to publish a blatantly fraudulent and doctored (rendering it invalid) COLB, thereby implicating himself (Obama) in what may be the biggest attempted fraud in the history of our Constitutional Republic.
‘Berg's lawsuit was promptly dismissed, as I had anticipated before it was even filed. Berg was ready with an explanation: there was a conspiracy to deprive him of justice. No such conspiracy existed.’
My comments: Berg filed on 8/21/08, and his suit was ‘Dismissed’ for ‘lack of standing’ on October 27, 63 days later (not promptly dismissed as you state). This ‘unprompt’ ruling gave enough time to claim admission of the charges due to non-response by Obama (et al), and got him to produce his self-implicating blatantly false COLB.
‘When I asked Berg in August how he was going to prove Obama was born in Kenya, he said "I saw it on the Internet." Not good enough for a federal judge.’
My comments: C’mon Andy. Crappy argument, especially when you now know that Jerome Corsi went to Kenya and confirmed it with his detailed research.
‘To be sure, my Committee also receives donations, but we have funded two trips to Hawai'i for Obama research and investigation, and a birth certificate lawsuit scheduled for a hearing on November 18th in Honolulu.’
My comments: A lawsuit? Against whom? Isn’t it just a petition to the court to release ‘alleged’ documents, that most assuredly will not be released, since no one believes that they actually do exist. Time is lost, nothing gained, and you start again.
You dismissed my suggestion that we get thousands of people to request any documents concerning this issue (under the Freedom of Information Act), instead relying on your single person request – which obviously will go nowhere, and will get no press coverage (like the refusal of thousands of requests probably would).
‘Finally, is Berg really an Obama operative? Berg's behavior is so far outside the normal confines of legal practice that his conduct is aberrant as well as abhorrent. To date, only Obama has benefited from Berg's misbehavior.’
My comments: Your bashing of the only person who has gotten our concerns into 2 courts as an actual lawsuit (one being the SCOTUS) seems aberrant as well as abhorrent to those of us who sincerely want this issue publicized nationwide until justice (and our Constitution) is served!
And now, for you to ask the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania Disciplinary Board to investigate the conduct of Mr. Berg, seems most aberrant and abhorrent indeed.
Although I am not an enthusiastic believer of the Berg-for-Obama explanation for Berg's behavior, it still makes a lot of sense.
My comments: It makes no sense whatsoever!
At some point Berg could face sanctions for his misconduct and abusive behavior.
My comments: Which are???
‘So we are left with no clear explanation for why Berg is acting out: (1) is he "crazy" or ill? (2) is he an Obama saboteur? (3) is he a financial flim flam artist using false claims to collect money?’
My comments: What false claims? A $90,000 ‘Open Letter to Obama’ ad in USA Today will reach millions more people than a single-person FOIA request for non-existent documents in Hawaii, I would proffer. (3,000 people sending in $30 should just about do it. Please send yours today).
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So what is Berg's game? Let me know what you think.
My comments: I think that your arguments stink!
Please try to bury your hatchet for Mr. Berg (no matter what you think about him) and help us finish the work of keeping this ILLEGAL ALIEN POSEUR and IMPOSTER Obama from trashing our Constitution and our Nation. The job at hand is too big for this dissention in the ranks of our Patriots. (We saw this with the traitor Jim Gilchrist - co-founder of the modern-day Minutemen movement – and it did us no good).
Sincerely,
Neil Turner
Carlsbad, CA
Andy Martin Responds
Your letter is so fallacious as to be unworthy of serious response. Your claim that Berg's lawsuit got Obama to release a birth certificate is complete nonsense. Obama released his document months before Berg. Had Berg actually accomplished what you claim, he would have taken credit for it. Did he make such a claim? No.
With many Obama opponents in your state of mind, is it any wonder Obama won? The inability of his opponents to confront and admit reality is what helped Obama get elected.
Sadly, you refuse to admit the facts even when they are biting you in the nose. What will your excuse be when Berg is kicked out of the Supreme Court? Another conspiracy?
Andy Martin
Andy; You asked us to let you know what we think about your column (below) and your arguments against Berg. My comments follow your statements:
‘Mr. Berg did file his loony case, and it began to attract a lot of attention. My initial reaction was sadness at the gullibility of the public. People obviously had no idea that the form and forum of Berg's lawsuit were totally deficient.’
My comments: Berg’s lawsuit got Obama to publish a blatantly fraudulent and doctored (rendering it invalid) COLB, thereby implicating himself (Obama) in what may be the biggest attempted fraud in the history of our Constitutional Republic.
‘Berg's lawsuit was promptly dismissed, as I had anticipated before it was even filed. Berg was ready with an explanation: there was a conspiracy to deprive him of justice. No such conspiracy existed.’
My comments: Berg filed on 8/21/08, and his suit was ‘Dismissed’ for ‘lack of standing’ on October 27, 63 days later (not promptly dismissed as you state). This ‘unprompt’ ruling gave enough time to claim admission of the charges due to non-response by Obama (et al), and got him to produce his self-implicating blatantly false COLB.
‘When I asked Berg in August how he was going to prove Obama was born in Kenya, he said "I saw it on the Internet." Not good enough for a federal judge.’
My comments: C’mon Andy. Crappy argument, especially when you now know that Jerome Corsi went to Kenya and confirmed it with his detailed research.
‘To be sure, my Committee also receives donations, but we have funded two trips to Hawai'i for Obama research and investigation, and a birth certificate lawsuit scheduled for a hearing on November 18th in Honolulu.’
My comments: A lawsuit? Against whom? Isn’t it just a petition to the court to release ‘alleged’ documents, that most assuredly will not be released, since no one believes that they actually do exist. Time is lost, nothing gained, and you start again.
You dismissed my suggestion that we get thousands of people to request any documents concerning this issue (under the Freedom of Information Act), instead relying on your single person request – which obviously will go nowhere, and will get no press coverage (like the refusal of thousands of requests probably would).
‘Finally, is Berg really an Obama operative? Berg's behavior is so far outside the normal confines of legal practice that his conduct is aberrant as well as abhorrent. To date, only Obama has benefited from Berg's misbehavior.’
My comments: Your bashing of the only person who has gotten our concerns into 2 courts as an actual lawsuit (one being the SCOTUS) seems aberrant as well as abhorrent to those of us who sincerely want this issue publicized nationwide until justice (and our Constitution) is served!
And now, for you to ask the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania Disciplinary Board to investigate the conduct of Mr. Berg, seems most aberrant and abhorrent indeed.
Although I am not an enthusiastic believer of the Berg-for-Obama explanation for Berg's behavior, it still makes a lot of sense.
My comments: It makes no sense whatsoever!
At some point Berg could face sanctions for his misconduct and abusive behavior.
My comments: Which are???
‘So we are left with no clear explanation for why Berg is acting out: (1) is he "crazy" or ill? (2) is he an Obama saboteur? (3) is he a financial flim flam artist using false claims to collect money?’
My comments: What false claims? A $90,000 ‘Open Letter to Obama’ ad in USA Today will reach millions more people than a single-person FOIA request for non-existent documents in Hawaii, I would proffer. (3,000 people sending in $30 should just about do it. Please send yours today).
CLICK HERE to make your secure, (tax deductible) donation to the WTP Foundation.
Click here to see how much money we have raised so far. ($14,000 as of 11-12-08)
So what is Berg's game? Let me know what you think.
My comments: I think that your arguments stink!
Please try to bury your hatchet for Mr. Berg (no matter what you think about him) and help us finish the work of keeping this ILLEGAL ALIEN POSEUR and IMPOSTER Obama from trashing our Constitution and our Nation. The job at hand is too big for this dissention in the ranks of our Patriots. (We saw this with the traitor Jim Gilchrist - co-founder of the modern-day Minutemen movement – and it did us no good).
Sincerely,
Neil Turner
Carlsbad, CA
Andy Martin Responds
Your letter is so fallacious as to be unworthy of serious response. Your claim that Berg's lawsuit got Obama to release a birth certificate is complete nonsense. Obama released his document months before Berg. Had Berg actually accomplished what you claim, he would have taken credit for it. Did he make such a claim? No.
With many Obama opponents in your state of mind, is it any wonder Obama won? The inability of his opponents to confront and admit reality is what helped Obama get elected.
Sadly, you refuse to admit the facts even when they are biting you in the nose. What will your excuse be when Berg is kicked out of the Supreme Court? Another conspiracy?
Andy Martin
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