tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post2263044200945147554..comments2023-12-14T21:55:11.213-05:00Comments on Mitchell Langbert's Blog: The Secession PartyMitchell Langberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00722335216553899790noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post-49763432269384641532011-10-10T01:14:20.854-04:002011-10-10T01:14:20.854-04:00I had also considered a solution to the problem of...I had also considered a solution to the problem of a lack of legitimate representation. I had thought that with the technology of today, we could have a house of 4-5000 representatives with offices in their home districts meeting via technology instead of cloistered in DC insulated from public pressure, paid on the military scale rather than their congressional salaries. If I in Salem, Oregon could go down the street to let my representative know my opinion on Obamacare, the regulatory behemoth that has grown out of control, and the insane Byzantine tax code, and if every representative were truly accountable to the 30-60,000 voters they should represent, I believe we would have a very different house, and consequently, a very different government.wil k. in Salem, ORnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post-80115418380242706172011-03-20T13:12:29.775-04:002011-03-20T13:12:29.775-04:00Nice post. ThanksNice post. ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post-5999195250671461602010-12-17T00:55:16.483-05:002010-12-17T00:55:16.483-05:00New York and California each had their historical ...New York and California each had their historical high points. In New York it was in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, ending with Progressivism and the New Deal. New York's decline coincided with the rise of Robert Moses. A similar process has gone on in California, with its apex in the 1980s and 1990s. It is now in innovative decline. Most of the innovators in California come from India. <br /><br />Innovation is not a function of resources or historical patterns but of freedom coupled with achievement orientation. An ambitious populace that is free will achieve. That is more likely to be seen in the Red states because both New York and California have adopted European, socialist habits of thought. Their histories will do as little for them as history does for Holland or England.Mitchell Langberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722335216553899790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post-14994414300375740502010-12-16T11:12:44.630-05:002010-12-16T11:12:44.630-05:00I definitively agree with you that the U.S. have g...I definitively agree with you that the U.S. have grown to a size where politics becomes unmanageable and tensions between population groups start tearing it apart.<br /><br />In addition to the Roman Empire, there are several other countries or empires which were too large to remain manageable, like the Soviet Union, the Austrian Empire, and in some sense also colonial empires like the British or Spanish. All had in common that they broke apart on pre-defined borders (republics, provinces, colonial territories). Breaking up these units, too, like you suggest for U.S. states with high city-country contrasts, always ended up in major bloodshed, like what happened in Bosnia or in the Caucasus countries. Therefore I would warn to suggest such a lower-level breakup.<br /><br />A breakup of the U.S. probably cannot be organized from above (a "Secession Party" assuming power in the U.S. would want to stay in power in ALL of the U.S., and thus refraining from breaking up the country in any meaningful sense). An alliance of states, however, would surely be able to exercise it. The states would quickly fall into interest groups, although I believe the result would be more than two of these groups - Alaska would not be going with Texas, and neither would California and New York fit into a common group. <br /><br />Of course, I believe that you will be wrong regarding the relative success of the new state groups. Both the cultural and economic dominance of the U.S. has grown out of the East Coast (New York - think of where IBM came from, and Chicago / Detroit) and out of the Pacific states (Silicon Valley, Microsoft). The South and the Midwest have their own industries, sure, but are much more dominated by agriculture and raw materials. And countries living off their natural resources may seem rich, but tend to be less developed (Saudi Arabia, Russia) than those without any raw materials (e.g. Japan or many European countries). Only exception coming to my mind is Australia, but I am sorry to say the Aussies have got a solid Social Democratic tradition without falling back into the Middle Ages. <br /><br />But it is only fair to give the various regions of the U.S. a fair try and see what happens. In any case, it will be better than the current ideological and religious blockade. On its current path, I see the U.S. break down under its debts and crumbling infrastructure within the next 10 years.Juergen Schwarzhttp://federated-micronations.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post-26359356760122702812010-12-05T22:28:01.014-05:002010-12-05T22:28:01.014-05:00You are a realist, but I hope and pray you’re not ...You are a realist, but I hope and pray you’re not right. But I believe the Democrats are the traitors and should be hung and the Republicans are America’s last best hope if they stand up and do battle with the Democrats before they destroy our Republic. That’s probably why I could never run for office, because I would have to tell the truth and few would support me. Look at the Democrats who have done everything in their power to undermine America for votes, from using the War in Iraq as a political football, lying and sabotaging our troops and commander in chief in a time of war. They have used the progressive tax code to steal from Peter to pay Paul, with the bottom 50% of taxpayers paying only 3% into the system so why shouldn’t they just vote for the politicians who give them everything for free from the largesse of the other half of the taxpayers. The massive government bureaucracy which the Dems keep feeding which is the overall highest paid and fastest growing sector of the economy is an elaborate vote buying scam. The Dream Act and their Amnesty programs are the means to garner 20 million more “illegal” votes. And they gave the criminal Rangel a standing ovation after his censure, for whose crimes most of us ordinary citizens would go jail. You have written about many of these things so I know I’m preaching to the choir, but since they now have the podium, this should all be exposed on the floor of Congress and the new pack of incoming freshman Republican Congressmen should not only be the “party of no”, but the party of “never again.” <br /><br />I look to such promising incoming statesmen as Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Allen West and others to stand on principle and refuse to compromise on the issues that the tea partiers voted them into office to do. I pray that they fight & take no prisoners.<br />http://www.sun-sentinel.com/fl-allen-west-congress-20101205,0,318571,full.storyPhil Orensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339958192360001257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post-45282560871116019432010-12-04T04:28:57.062-05:002010-12-04T04:28:57.062-05:00Phil--you're an optimist. The last time the Re...Phil--you're an optimist. The last time the Republicans won power on a cyclical basis was 1980. I'm still waiting for them to reduce the crap regulation that the Democrats and their Republicrat allies have imposed on us. As America declined all through the 1980s and 1990s the Republicans were busy congratulating themselves on a rising stock market that was actually causing the decline because it resulted from monetary stimulus, not innovation.<br /><br />To return America to the innovative leadership role it played until 1960 will require a great deal of gut sucking, and I don't really believe that the Republicans are up to it, although it would be nice if you are right and I am wrong.<br /><br />In all honesty, though, I fear you're a Pollyanna. The real hourly wage hasn't increased in 40 years, and much of that time the GOP was in power. They did nothing then. What is different now? With Trent Lott pulling the strings in Washington, it seems to me that the Republicrats are going to have a field day as America sinks into oblivion because of their and the Democrats' stupidity.Mitchell Langberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722335216553899790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post-75718548526567206212010-12-03T00:55:50.802-05:002010-12-03T00:55:50.802-05:00Keep the faith! Wait 2 more years till 2012 when w...Keep the faith! Wait 2 more years till 2012 when we will be rid of Obama, Pelosi, Cass Sunstein, Van Jones and all the totalitarian czars running our country it won’t be so bad as to invoke CSA or succession movements to restore freedom to America.Phil Orensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339958192360001257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post-39370818351519080332010-11-30T06:33:33.255-05:002010-11-30T06:33:33.255-05:00You completed some good points there. I did a sear...You completed some good points there. I did a search on the theme and found the majority of persons will have the same opinion with your blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post-64455537904002220862010-11-30T00:11:18.539-05:002010-11-30T00:11:18.539-05:00The Civil War’s cause, prevention of the expansion...The Civil War’s cause, prevention of the expansion of the “slave power” was just. <br />=========<br />THE Cause? Surely, you realize that there was much more than this. If there was, but a single Cause, it would be the Tyrant Lincoln's invasion of Virginia, as without this, there would have been no war. Ft. Sumter? Insidiously provoked by Lincoln.<br /><br />http://www.namsouth.com/viewtopic.php?t=98&highlight=ft+sumter<br />"You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Ft Sumter, even if it should fail; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result. "<br />Lincoln, Letter To Gustavus Fox on 1 May, 1861<br /><br />"He (Lincoln) himself conceived the idea, and proposed sending supplies, without an attempt to reinforce giving notice of the fact to Gov Pickins of S.C. The plan succeeded. They attacked Sumter it fell, and thus, did more service than it otherwise could."<br />Senator Orville Hickman Browning's diary dated July 3, 1861<br />(Lincoln's personal and political friend)Brock Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11404173139501539265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post-51917338878765133992010-11-28T21:16:46.668-05:002010-11-28T21:16:46.668-05:00Professor Langbert,
You've hit the nail on th...Professor Langbert,<br /><br />You've hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately, collectivists would never peacefully agree to let those of us who value liberty leave and form our own country as it is in the nature of collectivism to enslave everyone, no exceptions. And I'm afraid many who value liberty would see secession as unpatriotic.<br /><br />To me, the key paragraph is, "(s)ince there is no common ground between those of us who believe in freedom and those who believe in socialism, there is no longer common ground required for a single nation. The United States was founded on a belief in freedom. But half the nation believes in the slavery of social democracy, in tyranny of the majority. The union is no longer tenable." We are indeed two cultures now, with irreconcilable differences. I don't think the polarization between these two "cultures" can be reversed at this point. The collectivists must go through the same "learning from the school of hard knocks" that a rebellious teen must go through. They need to try to make it work, and finally see it inevitably fail, probably catastrophically, before they can begin to value freedom and liberty. <br /><br />If those who value freedom don't get a clue and start thinking about this issue, and working toward implementing a plan to peacefully achieve a free nation somehow separated from the collectivists, it's going to get really ugly. I'd prefer a Czech/Slovak solution if division is unavoidable, but fear it would be worse than the India/Pakistan partition to actually make this happen. Unlike the War Between the States, which was a war of secession, as the southern states weren't trying to control the whole country, any conflict arising from this proposal would degrade quickly into a true Civil War where neighbor fights neighbor. There is no Mason-Dixon line that I can see in this situation.<br /><br />Do you have any thoughts on how this could be accomplished? At what point, if we haven't already passed it, would we need to take a stand? How would we divide the country? How would we divide the military? How would we divide the debt? How would we deal with families and businesses that wished to relocate to the free zone, but couldn't sell their property in the socialist zone? Would the free zone use the US Constitution or write a new one? Who would you trust to conduct a new Constitutional Convention? <br /><br />I don't relish the idea of dividing our country, but I believe that the ideal of America as envisioned by the Founders is more important than the ongoing contiguity of America. As they say in medicine, "sometimes you've got to cut to cure."<br /><br />AndrewAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post-561979808497937392010-11-28T06:40:23.286-05:002010-11-28T06:40:23.286-05:00Rousseau, in The Social Contract, says that the nu...Rousseau, in The Social Contract, says that the number of government representatives should be the square root of the population so that the power is more evenly distributed. The more I consider this, the more it sounds like a very good idea.<br /><br />I have often considered the idea of elected voters at a lower level - each voter representing no more than 100 people and paid by these people to study issues and vote responsibly on their behalf.<br /><br />The average person has no time to become aware of the issues to the point required for knowledgeable and responsible voting. A system such as this would see America returned and the US crumpled up and tossed into a waste paper basket.Doug Plumbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398407489022244485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post-22478412832740792912010-11-27T17:03:23.603-05:002010-11-27T17:03:23.603-05:00Why won't Google accept the passwords and no ...Why won't Google accept the passwords and no one can read those letters for verification.<br />They are all twisted together so you cannot see what they are.<br />This is why many do not post comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555123713188257297.post-68268103705626205602010-11-27T17:01:08.352-05:002010-11-27T17:01:08.352-05:00News Flash - America has ALWAYS been 2 nations - ...News Flash - America has ALWAYS been 2 nations - that is how the Founders established it to be. Legally and Constitutionally IT STILL IS ! The CSA (Confederate States of America) has always been its own soverign nation AND STILL IS - EXCEPT SINCE 1865 IT HAS BEEN UNDER ILLEGAL FEDERAL OCCUPATION after Lincoln illegally invaded the south nation and illegally occupied it, and it has been illegally Federally occupied for the past 150 years !<br />The south is STILL TODAY LEGALLY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY SECEDED FROM THE US DC FEDERAL UNION !!<br />The CSA has its own general government and is currently re-establishing its Confederate State govts.<br />Tyrant and dedicated Marxist Lincoln burned everything of truth and history he could find. He alone forced the 2 American nations into one, but it has never been accepted by the CSA. The CSA nation NEVER SURRENDERED as Lincoln made everyone believe in his Reconstruction and invented Federalist 'history' that all have been force-taught for the past 150 years.<br />See TRUE history page (while Obama still allows the truth web site up) at: http://home1.gte.net/carriet/TruthCivilWar.htm This is the best introduction to TRUE history there is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com