Saturday, December 6, 2008

Contrairimairi Writes to CNN



Mairi just sent me this e-mail that she sent to CNN regarding CNN's coverage of the Berg law suit (see above).

"Dear Mr. Goldstein,
You do this Country and her citizens an IMMENSE disservice by your lack of facts when reporting. It is just this situation of UNtruths that has led us to questioning the veracity of Barack's eligibility for POTUS in the Supreme Court.
Had you done your homework, and gotten your facts straight, you would have found out several very dubious problems with Barack's stand on the issue of his eligibility.
First, his COLB ( Certification of Live Birth) is NOT proof that he was born in Hawaii. Please read Hawaiian State law for clarification on this. Hawaii states that the COLB does not have enough information to be used as legal documentation, they recommend using the COB ( Certificate of Birth) which will stand as legal documentation. The reason Hawaiin law recommends the COB for legal requirements, is because they allowed registration of birth of infants born ANYWHERE, for up to one year after the infant's birth. If you LISTEN closely to statements by Hawaiian officials, they NEVER state Barack was born there. They only state they have a "vault copy" of a birth certificate. They never say where the birth took place! This is VERY important, especially now that EVERY hospital in Honolulu claims Barack was NOT born there. Hmmmmmmm........
Second, at adoption by Lolo Soetoro, Barack's name was changed to Barry Soetoro. He became an Indonesian citizen at that time. Now, because he was a child, the U.S. MAY have have been willing to claim at adulthood, that that circumstance was beyond his control. There's a problem, though. At age 20 or 21, Barack went to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. Because Indonesia does NOT allow dual citizenship with the U.S., that standard is reciprocated. As long as Barack did nothing as an adult to claim acceptance of his Indonesian citizenship, which was thrust upon him by the actions of his Mother. The U.S. might have been willing to claim he never intentionally, of his own free will, recognized his Indonesian citizenship, but use of an Indonesian passport IS an adult acceptance of that citizenship, and by it's use, Barack negated his U.S. citizenship of his own free will by U.S. law.
Third, if in fact, Barack traveled to the U.S. on an FS-1 passport, and enrolled in school here as a "foreign student", he once again recognized his Indonesian citizenship as an adult, thereby reinforcing acceptance of that citizenship over his U.S . citizenship. His college registrations and records MUST be released. He cannot have it both ways! He cannot claim Indonesian citizenship to travel to Pakistan and receive aid from Americans for his education, and then claim "foul play", I am a U.S citizen because I was born here.
You see, it really doesn't matter WHERE he was born. He admits to dual citizenship with Kenya. He traveled there, and campaigned on behalf of Raila Odinga AGAINST a U.S. ally! If he's Indonesian, no problem, but if he claims now to be American, that is a MAJOR breach of the Logan Act, which I believe is treason.......
He also traveled to Pakistan. WHY?
You see, Mr. Goldstein, these are MAJOR Constitutional questions which MUST be answered BEFORE the Electoral Delegates vote on Dec.15th. Because Barack REFUSES to answer these questions, Americans are BEGGING that the Supreme Court Intervene and FORCE Barack to prove his eligibility.
We MUST know his real name. When did it change back to Barack? We MUST see his full medical records. Lest we forget, he is an admitted drug abuser.
In short, Mr. Goldstein, Barack is not being honest with the Americans who chose him to be our President, as long as it is legal for him to serve. You have done this Country an IMMENSE injustice, IMHO, by not being truthful and/or honest in discussing the issue. You should NOT claim to be an expert if you are only giving half the story, and partial truths.
Now, if you were an honorable man, I would expect you to step back up to the plate, and set the story straight. You see, if SCOTUS decides Barack to be ineligible, there are going to be people who will NOT understand the reason if they are not told the truth! You, Sir, are part of THAT problem in my estimation, unless you come forward and present the facts honestly and openly. Without personally knowing you, I can only look forward to hearing you are an honorable man!
Sincerely,"

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

By mistake I put this in the wrong section.

First, the argument was that Obama is a Muslim, when that rumour was debunked the rumour mill was that Obama was not a natural born citizen and that the birth certificate was a forgery. Yada, yada, yada, yada.

When these rumours were comprehensively rejected by the the US Courts, the bait and switch argument became that he "renounced" his citizenship because he allegedly travelled on an Indonesian passport.

Even if Obama did travel on an Indonesian passport, we cannot conclude that Obama had renounced his citizenship. The US Department of State "has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to a declaration of allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government." This is a very permissive standard.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html

A plain reading of these provisons makes it clear that travelling on a foreign passport(even if Obama did travel on an Indonesian passport) does not show intent for renunciation of citizenship.

Also see Action and Deltamar v. Rich, 951 F.2d 504 (2nd Cir. 1991)

Rather than wallow in these phony arguments it is time to focus on moving this country forward as US citizens.

Diogenes said...

"He also traveled to Pakistan. WHY?"

You're joking, right?

What a buffoon!!

Keep those cards and letters coming, tinfoil hatters. There's simply not enough laughter in this world!

Anonymous said...

"He also traveled to Pakistan. WHY?
You see, Mr. Goldstein, these are MAJOR Constitutional questions which MUST be answered BEFORE the Electoral Delegates vote on Dec.1."

How does travelling to Pakistan rise to a level of a MAJOR Constitutional question that disqualifies Obama from being President? In fact Pakistan was not even a country when the US Constitution was ratified.

BTW travel to Pakistan was not even banned when Obama allegdly visited Pakistan. In fact, there never has been a ban on visting Pakistan.

Also, during that period Pakistan was an ally in our fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan. From Wikipedia:

"Additionally, on July 3, 1979, U.S. President Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan. As a part of the Central Intelligence Agency program Operation Cyclone, the massive arming of Afghanistan's mujahideen was started."

It is time to stop constructing these phony straw men and wallowing in these pathetic arguments. It just drives people like me to vote Democratic.

Anonymous said...

The bots go marching two by two hurrah, hurrah.
What is it up with Pakistan, hurrah, hurrah?
Remember when his minions peeked
Into the passport files awhile?
And the bots go marching,
Down in the dirt again. kim
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Barry Truthgun said...

Same old lies.

"Hawaii states that the COLB does not have enough information to be used as legal documentation"

No on the COLB it plainly states prima facie.

"they allowed registration of birth of infants born ANYWHERE, for up to one year after the infant's birth."

That law came in 1982 and the COLB would be issued but state born in wherevere they were really born.

Anonymous said...

My, my. Not one of you visited the argument of spending $800,000 for a team of lawyers to prove what you all say is so transparent!! Or why the lawsuits aren't countered with libel or defamation lawsuits??
Now, who will I believe, the attorney, the professional poker player, the Secretary of States, or
a miscreant whose background is full of organized protests, black militancy, black radical ideology, Islamic schooling and doctrine, and lies and suspicious associates??

Anonymous said...

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/02-12-2008/106778-Amazing_Obama-0

Barack, The Amazing Mr. Obama

By Mark S. McGrew

Barack Obama is truly an amazing man, with many amazing friends. He has succeeded where countless others have failed. And he has also succeeded where many before him have succeeded with the same time honored methods.
He has managed to create an illusion of a Public Office that does not exist, The Office of the President Elect.

Barry Sotero, AKA Barack Obama, along with the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission have successfully ignored a Federal Lawsuit asking him to produce a valid Birth Certificate. When the time to respond to that lawsuit expired, under Federal Court Rules, they all admitted that he was not a citizen of The United States of America and deemed to have committed fraud. A normal man would have been found to have admitted he was not a US citizen.

But the man with no visible past, was blessed by a light shining from above on a Federal Judge, by having the lawsuit against him dismissed, three weeks after his non-response was proof that he is not a US citizen.

That lawsuit has since been taken to the US Supreme Court, where Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission have until December 1, 2008 to answer the complaint made against them.

Another lawsuit by another attorney against him to prove he is a US citizen has been scheduled for a conference of Justices of the US Supreme Court on December 5, 2008.

Full documentation of the Philip Berg lawsuit can be seen here at ObamaCrimes.com and a copy of a full page ad regarding this in the Washington Times can be seen here.

A full page ad in the Chicago Tribune, asking Obama to prove his citizenship can be seen here.

Other lawsuits landed in the Supreme Court of The United States can be seen here.

Alan Keyes, a Presidential candidate has also filed a lawsuit in California Supreme Court to not certify the California Electors of the US Electoral College until Obama can prove that he is a US citizen. It is those Electors who decide who shall be President of the United States of America on December 15, 2008.

Anonymous said...

When these rumours were comprehensively rejected by the the US Courts,
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*ahem* Please show the court documents that rejected the actual case of Obama's legitimacy and refusal of any of the Constitutional requirements of Obama to be eligible for POTUS?

Show the link here that the courts said Obama has been vetted and the lawsuits are thrown out on that basis. Or go away with your Obama action wires and lies.

Not once was that ever stated. It has been stated that citizens have no STANDING, and one time that not enough Citizens were interested.

Please get your stories straight if you are to do Obama's biddings.

In truth, You Obama lemmings, you Obama pay my bills and my way in life minions, have been lied to and duped so severely you will believe anything and repeat anything.

Those of us who still have brain matter want it proved in court through forensic scientists not in Obama's camp.

You Obama socialists who don't want our American fredoms to know who is governing, then try Cuba or North Korea. It is more to your way of liking.

Many of us constitutionalists who love America will gladly pay your way.

Anonymous said...

Diogenes, eeeeggadddss, you must smoke a lot to need all the free handouts from Obama.

Time to cut back a little and maybe stop the lying that Obama has done when he told everyone he had stopped and now says maybe he won't be caught smoking in the White House.

Anonymous said...

Barry Truthgun said...
Same old lies.

"Hawaii states that the COLB does not have enough information to be used as legal documentation"

No on the COLB it plainly states prima facie.

"they allowed registration of birth of infants born ANYWHERE, for up to one year after the infant's birth."

That law came in 1982 and the COLB would be issued but state born in wherevere they were really born.

December 7, 2008 4:17 PM



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How can Americans sell out their country so easily??

The answer they are not Americans.

These are people who hate America who post this children of the corn canned lies for Obama.

TruthHurts said...

Contrairimairi is the very definition of someone with unyielding, palpable, and overt anger. How many letters has this person written about Obama in the last year?

The problem: when you write to someone asking them to take up your cause, and you use 30 exclamation points and write a third of your words in caps, what are they to assume? That you are a reasonable person who brings up great points that should be investigated, or that you are blinded by your own ideology to a point where everything is Obama's fault(from the economy, the 2 wars we are in, even the weather). Contrairimairi even finishes up the letter by questioning the honor of anyone who would have a differing opinion.

At least Bob Robbins' letter was written from a rational perspective. Contrairimairi most likely still can not bring him/herself to criticize president Bush(current president), yet hates everything that Obama stands for..

If this went to the Supreme Court and lawyers/representative of the court were allowed to look at the vault certificate for Obama and deemed it "valid", do you think Contrairimairi would stop(and accept the incoming President)? I think that you know the answer is "no". He or she would immediately scream "cover up!"

On a related note:
I just found out today that McCain was born in Panama, which I did not know. Any outrage there?

Enjoy your day.

lukemcgook said...

Hey, di, lukemcgook here. Tell me this: have you come to any conclusions yet re why Obama is going to such expensive lengths to suppress the birth information?

Anonymous said...

Contrairimairi is the very definition of someone with unyielding, palpable, and overt anger. How many letters has this person written about Obama in the last year?

I have heard no anger in Contrairiemarie's posts or letters. I see a person who is willing to put themselves out there for truth. In America we have that right to ask questions of our government.

Perhaps you see the letters as angry because you do not agree. But for the rest of us we see desperation and extreme anger to a level of sociopathy when Obama supporters come onto threads and insult everyone but never come and give facts why they feel the way they do about Obama. They have talking points but nothign factual to back them up.


McCain has been vetted on his Panama birth. He immediately handed over his vault BC when asked. Not a problem for him. McCain's dad was in the military and stationed in Panama when he was born. Both parents were American citizens also. Yes, the democrats had out rage over that. Funny they see no outrage over Obama.

Obama has hired 3 law firms to fight all the lawsuits. It is much more than $800,000.00 at this point.

AS for the coverup remark if we were able to get a vault BC verified, the lawsuit states their forensic scientists will verify the BC. Not Obama's team.

But you make the point so I must ask you, why didn't Obama send the BC to court and request the court verify it?

Why hasn't Obama spoke out and given details about the lawsuits?

If it were me and all these people say they will sure Obama as long as their money holds out, I would be screaming at the top of my lungs the truth. Why would any president want to go into the White house being thought of as a usurper? Being told that anything he does in office will become invalid? Is this the Obama you voted for? One who will never speak the truth?

I feel bad for you because the truth will come out and all of you will either riot or Obama will give you a action wire to do his bidding in some form to deflect the truth. That is how he says you are involved in his administration, you will go out and do what he says. Obama will never take your ideas into consideration when he starts doling out trillions to the UN.

When he says the US must fall in line with global laws on raising our children because Somalia has signed on, you better love that you are now inline with a third world country and Obama does not trust we know how to raise our children. New world order and you voted it in.

This is getting out of hand with Obama's emails and actions wires and report back to me he states. That is Obama's control and ir reeks of Communism.

And every email still with the donations for Obama. On his website, still with the donations. Obama is a con.

Anonymous said...

First, the argument was that Obama is a Muslim, when that rumour was debunked the rumour mill

How was this debunked? Obama's school papers in Indonesia reads he is muslim. Obama's interview in the NYT says he loves the prayer in the morning as the sweetest thing. He also says certain citizens would faint if they heard him say that.

We know he sat in the Black Liberation theology church for 20 years but that was a Saul Alinsky rule to gain community support. Obama did not choose a moderate church to attend with his girls but a radical, GD Amerikkka church. One that says african americans, blacks, must always look out for each other above anything else.

How can a president govern the US with that philosophy?

Since he was elected he had not attended church and chose to work out instead. Someone reported that. Then for a photo op Obama takes his girls to do some charity work for Thanksgiving. This was suppose to mean he is still a Christian regardless of whether chruch was placed on the back burner because he has been elected.

Or is it because Obama is muslim and if he cdoes not need the support of a local church then he is not going to sit in a true Christian church. Yes, I said true Christian church. Christian churches do not scream and rant like Rev Wright. They do not create hate towards others and do not make up lies about the country they live in to stoke a racial war.

Mairi said...

TruthHurts......WOW! You really do not know me!
1st, my caps and exclamation points are my "style". People who have seen my handwriting tell me it is very "flamboyant", and even my bosses ask me to address "personal" things they write because they love my handwriting. I get MANY compliments from people who love my handwriting "style".....VOILA! I am from a VERY large family, and one of my darling brothers always tells me, that even if I didn't sign my e-mails, and switched screen names, he would know it was me because of my "style".......which I might add, he says he loves. He is such a dear.
2nd, I am ABSOLUTELY not an angry person. Quite the contrary ( make that 'contrairi' ***** WINK*****), I am that silly person on an elevator full of "silent people" who has everyone laughing and smiling by the time they get off. I was speaking to a "stranger" one time, when the person I was with commented, "But you don't even KNOW that person!" My explanation was quite simple, "A 'stranger' is just a friend you haven't met yet!" I really believe that.
3rd, Mitchell and I became friends away from this site just a few months ago, so I have actually only been contributing here for about 6 months.......sorry it seems like such an eternity to you!
4th, As far as our current Prez......NOT going there. I believe he is the BIGGEST sell out of Conservatives EVER!
5th, I am hoping that the SCOTUS will look at BO's B/C....the "vault copy". I trust them completely to verify the info, and when and if they do, I will have NO problem accepting BO as MY next Prez. I am NOT a "sore loser" as so many say about those requesting the proper documentation.
Interesting you would bring up JMC. The Constitution states that those serving as embassadors, (please note that is NOT ambassador!) do Constitutionally pass "Natural Born" status to their children born away from U.S soil. However, I have heard an EXCELLENT Constitutional attorney state that he may still not have been eligible, so, anyone willing to take on that challenge, be my guest. I think the point is moot, he was not elected. I believe that IS the argument of the Keyes' lawsuit. BTW, as soon as the question of JMC's B/C came up, he presented the "vault" copy. We're only asking BO to do the same, except nix the "as soon as", that's LONG past!
Also, FYI, I did not question Mr. Goldstein's honor for "disagreeing", I said if he had made a mistake, I believed an "honorable person" would correct their mistake. It has nothing to do with him agreeing or not with me. If BO should at some point produce appropriate documentation to an "appropriate" entity (for instance a SoS, or Judge in ANY district, or SCOTUS) I WILL admit I was wrong.....it's just how I am, I am a "big enough person" to admit when I make mistakes.
As far as BO being the reason for all our government's current failures, quite the "contrairi". The man has done NOTHING! He wasn't elected when the vote to fight in Iraq took place. He certainly DID take a LOT of money from fannie and freddie, especially considering that most of the others who received large sums from them were in Congress for far too many years! I would like to see term limits, either agreed to by them, or enforced by voters.
I am not a "tin foil" hat on the weather. Al Gore is an IDIOT! People should read the studies they are doing on ice "core samples". It's quite interesting how cyclical these warming and cooling trends are, and since long before we could have been effecting it. Now if Al wants to target volcanoes for climactic problems, he may have a better case. I would love to see him argue the point with an active volcano.
I guess the "contrairimairi" has confused you. In the nursery rhyme, "Mistress Mary is quite contrary", and my name is a play on that rhyme. I have spelled the "contrairi" to match my Celtic. Maybe you are not "in tune" with your nursery rhymes. Pity! Life's too short to be unhappy, and not have FUN!
But then, that's just me!

TruthHurts said...

Fair,.. I stand corrected.
However, YOU CAN SEE HOW I WOULD THINK THAT WRITING LIKE THIS WOULD IMPLY OUTRAGE!!!!!
I thought "Contrairimairi" might be Italian in origin. Guess not.
Thanks for responding.

Mairi said...

Truth Hurts,
However, YOU CAN SEE HOW I WOULD THINK THAT WRITING LIKE THIS WOULD IMPLY OUTRAGE!!!!!

I don't do whole sentences in caps....but I accept you "being corrected". It makes me believe.....without meeting you.....that you very well may be an "honorable person". I hold great store in those who are able to admit they have made a mistake.
When the Prez-in-waiting...we have until Monday before he is the "Prez-elect"....produces his vault B/C, and his registration records, I WILL stand ready to apologize, if in fact, I have been wrong. I don't think I will hold my breath, however. It is MHO that BO is trying DESPERATELY to keep his citizen status secret, and unfortunately, by logic, I feel there can only be one reason....but, have a look-see here. You might find it interesting.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6254

ENJOY!